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Heather and Marie 300501
Alright that seems to be working … okay so we’ll start off with something really easy  what is  your  idea  of  a  good
person  like what qualities do you think make up a good person

Well tolerant

uhuh

tolerant

tolerant

okay

of different people race colour creed religion whatever  is important  sense of humour doesn’t  necessarily  make  a
good person but er I dunno

oh yeah I think sense of humour helps to be ah criticise with ourselves too I think it’s important to be able to  look  at
ourself change and

to be  aware 

 yeah

mm

aware of … yeah a good person to me is that  and then tolerance comes I think

yeah and considerate of others

mm

what’s  yeah I dunno what else 

being compassion … compassionate 

 compassionate 

  yeah

absolutely

understanding

mm



mm

a good person mm

Is there anything else

dunno  what would be a bad person 

oh yeah and then take the opposite

mm true

er

well intolerant  erm what’s a bad person

yeah well I I would say it’s about love ‘n and  and

thinking of other people

mm

not just of yourself

mm

yeah

oh what was it Oh I forgot … honesty mm

mm

mm okay well this isn’t so much about being a good person but do you think that being emotional is a good quality

ah you know I was going to talk about emotional yeah

yeah I agree too I think it is important

to express the feelings yeah I think so

mm back to what you were saying about honesty

mm

in that sense of being honest with your feelings being honest with other people  about  how  you  feel  about  different
things

mm so we agree

we are  we  totally in agreement here 



okay so you obviously erm consider honesty as being really important in a relationship … do you think it’s more  important
to be honest or truthful than it is to be polite

ah to me yes definitely

erm oh I don’t know  it would depend I don’t

mm

think I could say absolutely in in well it would depend on the relationship who the person is how close they are  to  me
 as to erm a

I I I was sure you would disagree with me I I wonder sometimes why people think we are arrogant and I  guess  one  of  the
things is p’raps that ah sometimes people can think I’m a bit pushy or arrogant because I don’t care about being polite

mm

I think being sincere is a way of being polite

mm

I want people to be sincere with me I’ve never  I’ve been raised in er cultural  from my mum and my dad we’ve got  the
noble part that is very you know we learn the rules ner ner ner

yes

and my dad is  well another story but it’s kind of the same thing erm being polite is very important and  I  just  fuck
off 

you don’t yeah

sorry but I  because it’s like being false all the time and I

mm

I’ve been going through that and sometimes  people don’t understand

mm

but it doesn’t matter to me

yeah well  it would depend on the circumstances

yeah

with me because sometimes I think  if by being polite I don’t  I stop somebody being hurt

mm yeah 

then I will be polite rather than tell them what I really think

mm

because I think that  what I really think a) isn’t that important to them

yeah

it’s not that important for them to know it

mm

particularly if I think it will hurt them so I don’t think there’s anything to be gained so  sometimes  I  will  be  
well our version of “polite” 

 polite yeah

because I think it might hurt someone

mm tactful perhaps

and  I  don’t  want  to  do  that  yeah    so   I   suppose   it   depends   how   you   define   being   polite
really

yeah

in a way

oh yeah no I think you er what you say is true too but my way is different

so you would

and I do hurt push people sometimes

b

and I’m not afraid of being pushed as well so

mm  whereas probably

you know

yeah I wou  I  in that sense I would be different

mm

I think that is a cultural difference

yeah well I think it is a bit in the culture

mm

and I am a bit excessive in France as well but I’ve seen that yes it is different

mm 

 in here you’ve got a lot  yeah being emotional is  you express emotion very differently than  the  way  we
do in France I’m not able to say how really

mm

I think I see that when I’ll be back but

mm

there is a big difference

mm

so yeah

in in in every ex in  give an example I suppose

give an example I don’t know right now mmm perhaps later on I’ve seen that we might talk about  it  so  perhaps  I’ll  be
able to yeah is it loud enough the way we speak

it should be it should be

so I don’t have to yell 

no is the red light still on

red light

ah yes yes

just tell me if that goes off and then I’ll panic I won’t know what to do but just let me know anyway

but

yeah I think that’s just with the noise level blah etc … ok so you  do  you  know  Marie  the  expression  “donner  une
réponse de Normand”

er no but I think it might be like er a story that ends like a fish  tail End fish that means no well

dunno

ok well you don’t know this

I don’t know 

“finir en queue de poisson”

I don’t know that expression

that means it doesn’t finish there’s no sense in the end of the story

oh okay well apparently une réponse de Normand is “peut-être bien que oui, peut-être bien que non”

yeah okay

so do you know that

yeah

okay so could you explain that to Heather

yeah 

ah euh “peut-être bien que oui, peut-être bien que non” yeah that means that pf ev yeah well to me I’m gonna put  it  in
a concept perhaps it’s illogical I don’t know but to me it’s erm seeing that everything is true you know the balance  when  you
say something the contrary is true as well I mean in the whole world if we take the whole picture

mm

so “peut-être bien que oui, peut-être bien que non” means pf it’s up to you to make your own truth you know

about a situation or 

 yeah

so

yeah like you ask me something and I tell you “peut-être bien que oui, peut-être bien que non” that means  well  it’s
up to you you take whatever you want because I give you both or

mm so when would you use it then

do you understand the words

well yeah yes

yeah okay

maybe

yes

“maybe yes maybe not” yeah

mm

“could be yes could be no” I wouldn’t say “maybe yes maybe no” in English would you

what do we say

I’m not too sure I get the sense of it yet so I don’t know what I’d say

would we say  no we’d say “maybe maybe not”

“maybe maybe not”

ah okay 

that’s probably a more colloquial expression isn’t it in English yeah so  yeah

so you

so it’s not giving a straight answer I suppose

and would you use

yeah it’s

it when you weren’t sure  about something about  your it’s  I sit  here  well  what  did  you
think about a certain situation and you really  hadn’t  come to a conclusion would you say “maybe maybe yes maybe no” or…

yeah well you have to ask me a question when I can answer yes or no well I have to answer yes  or  no  so  that  I  answer
“peut-être bien que oui, peut-être bien que non” 

 ah

you are expecting that I say yes or that I say no

it’s like the a          yes or the no

have you liked er pf  would you or an invitation it can be that  you invite me somewhere and I say but well  it’s  not
mm

but would it be more like 

 dunno 

 we’ve just met somebody

mm

and I say did you like X

yeah and I tell you peut-etre bien que ou it’s kind of a game as well if you ask me this question and I tell you  “peut-
être bien que oui, peut-être bien que non” that means you know I don’t wanna tell you and it’s kind of a game and you you just

ah it’s like a hedging sort of thing

or I don’t know also … yeah “peut-être bien que oui, peut-être bien que  non”  I  don’t
know him enough to

to make an assessment 

 yeah

mm mm so you can use it in both situations one when you know and you don’t want to tell somebody

yeah 

or 

that would be a game to me but

when you actually don’t know yeah

yeah exactly

or when you don’t actually you’re not sure about that point

mm

okay

and I leave it to you

so a non answer

a non answer yeah that’s a good way of putting it so would you think the expression “to sit on the fence” means  the  same
thing Can you explain that to Marie Or do you know that expression



that depends, is a fence une barriere

mm

okay “to sit to set”

sit

sit

sit oh yeah hurts

yeah that’s what I think

do you know the expression “to sit on the fence”

“to sit on the fence” it’s to not  well it’s to not commit  to to an an  opinion  either  way
 so

okay

yeah sitting on the fence meaning they’re trying  they’re not telling you what they  think  about  it  I  suppose  you
could use it in that  in that sense  or they’re trying to have it both ways is the other way that we tend to use it

mm mm

in  in the sense that um you you wanna know how somebody feels about a  certain  situation  for  whatever
re like there’s a group of people and you wanna make a decision and you need say a majority of those people to ma  to    to
so that something will happen and one person is not committing either way they’re sitting on the fence

yeah okay

they’re not telling you what  you know they’re not saying  yes  they’re  not  saying  no  they’re  not  saying
anything really  well that’s how I see it

yet is it negatively valued evaluated in Australian

mm can be

culture

can be  can be I think erm 

 ahuh

because  well not strongly

yeah

but  no no I suppose yeah you you might be able to say “this is what I believe and let’s move  on”  let’s  not  you
know shilly shally along let’s let’s make a decision  but maybe that’s just reflective of how I think so …

no you’re representing Australia here Heather

ah sorry 

and just a way to sat on the fence  has to be negative I mean it hurts

it could be very uncomfortable  

 yeah I’m sitting on the fence oh ow

it’s a strange expression isn’t it ‘cos it’s really not visual it doesn’t represent anything like if you  think  about  it
visually I don’t see the connection with sitting



on the fence and not giving a an opinion

yeah yeah

it’s kind of a  it’s a strange logic where the expression came from

that’s very true yes

ah perhaps yeah sitting like you  like that and you’re

or going either way

ah okay

 I think you’re right I think that would be more it actually ‘cos you could go that way

Kerry:/Marie:                                                

or you could go that way you’re actually  in  a  position  you
could go either side

that’s true

that’s it that’s

yeah

and the balance is hard to keep in between the two

yes

yeah mm

yeah I think you’re right definitely

thank you for explaining that



think this will help your study 

it will  I’ve always wondered what that meant  okay well keeping on the same theme theme  then  do  you  think  it’s
al it’s important to always have an opinion a) to have one and b) to give one

ah to me not I guess I’ve changed a lot I’ve learnt a lot I I had I’ve already had an opinion but now and  even  sometimes
talk is an useless

yeah erm I’m not sure  

Now Heather that’s not much of an opinion

 is it

you’re being facetious

I am erm I don I really don’t know how I think about that whether it’s it’s … sometim it depends on the situation  I
know I’m sort of always saying that but  in certain situations  I would want people to have an opinion I think  it  would  be
important erm but it it would depend on the importance of the subject if it’s really irrelev well to  me  irrelevant  then  I’m
not really fussed about having an opinion either way so to me I s’pose it depends how important I think the subject is

mm the subject is

so …

but like if I ask you this question er “do you think Hitler er do you think it’s good that what happened with  Hitler
happened” well I guess I’ve got an opinion I

I

would say “yes”

I have an opinion

yeah what’s your opinion

oh because I think it’s important what he did was was sorry ask me again the question

if you if you could have prevented from  happening  would
you

oh God yes

yeah well I think no okay so I’ve got an opinion definitely I’ve got one

yeah            so but I think that’s an important issue

is it safe

so I think it’s important that I’d I would have an opinion on that

you yeah but me

ah yes yes yes yes

saying thatit’s not important to have an opinion but then I’m just thinking this is an important  issue  and
I’ve got an opinion

mm

because you’ve got one and I’m thinking I disagree with you so  I’ve got an opinion

mm mm

and I thought I would be able not to  have  an  opinion  because  definitely  what  happened  is  terrible  but  then  the
consequences are good so  you know I just  yeah

okay

ah that’s a  I don’t know that’s a question  we are we I think we are all able to have an opinion each  time  we  can
make a choice it’s a question about making choices but I definitely think it’s not that important to make  the  choice  sometimes
and have an opinion about something because  yeah

okay so could you just tell me about your opinion about Hitler just describe just

erm I think it had to happen what happened  had  to  happen  so
that now when I see in Europe what we’re doing about the whole process of peace we wanna keep peace whatever happen all  together
sta s starting to build something that tsk with all the ideals that we’ve got  erm it’s very  you  know  we  we’re  big
thinking people in France specially and we had big lesson em I’ve I’ve heard from what happened in Switzerland every  year  there
is a devilmeeting with other people

mm mm

and from politics and money capitalist those who  rule  the  world  who
talk and they have this big erm talk about the 2000 the third mill millennium coming and only  Europe  they  representing  
every continent was saying about we’re gonna be the more powerful the most powerful blah blah blah blah and only Europe stand  up
the last one and said that no we all work together we live in the same world and we want peace we want  happiness  for  everybody
so we trying to  and only Europe said that and er after something happened Indian an Indian guy just very  violently  told  him
you’re afraid of the war because you had two big war but we are not afraid and we’re gonna  do  whatever  well  I’ve  heard  that
because someone I know people who’s been there

mm

and that’s yeah that’s just an example for me that is very  that means we’ve been li living such horrible things

mm

but now I’m in Australia it’s kind of the same but you’re so apart that you don’t really care you’ve got such a  beautiful
little paradise  but yeah  so but Hitler I mean it’s lot more complicated than that but

mm yeah yeah I dunno it’s interesting because  I mean the other thing about what happened with  Hitler  and  th  the
genocide with the Jews that’s been publicised because it was Europe and the powerful and media but  then  what  happened  in  you
know Indonesia in  there’s genocide that’s happening there what happened in Africa wha i it’s not getting the publicity 

 I think 

 is anybody learning from that is it ever a good thing 

 yeah

I mean I dunno I’m not too sure that I completely

what you said about the media and stuff I understand what  you
say but I think something is different in Hitler’s story in that he’s been planning to rule over the whole  world  and  you  know
he’s a  it’s like it’s like the devil working with erm  success eating more and more you know like

mm mm

with big big plan in his head like no we y d’y you  you  know  what  I  mean
very very

well in in

very dark very it’s like everybody agree y you know like what he’s he’s done all  the
people who follow him

mm

and erm this this spider stuff going more and more and no-one I dunno

and no-one stops it

what’s happening in the others countries it’s like it’s more passion and you know  fighting  culture
fighting and people doing not this big plan and this big book actually there is a book 

 so you think the fact that it was more

it’s like

er the planning aspect is is something that differentiates

it’s like sigh

it from the other genocides that  have  occurred  in  the  world  the  planning
aspect is that the thing that’s different

 I dunno what I want to say exactly I’ve never the right arguments  in  my  head
that’s just a feeling and the big s picture

mm

I’ve never I

yeah  I mean I don’t I don’t have I haven’t thought about it in in that context but              

 it’s like you know he wrote the bible about what he was thinking why he was doing that

Mien Kampf or something

yeah Mein Kampf 

yeah Mein Kampf mm

and 

mm

we yeah with rational you know with the rational mind

cold blooded

yeah cold blood and yeah

yeah it was deliberate it was planned it wasn’t full of emotion

mm

yeah but I don’t know is it true I mean yes i the way it was actually executed in  that  in  that  sense  the  way  it
actually happened but but why did he hate the Jews so much  that to me is an emotional response

oh he hated… 

so so  mm

but it’s so clear but still you know what I mean girl’s problemyeah and everybody followed

mm yeah it’s scary to see what can happen in a in a community

mm

that though so many of the Germans I understand didn’t a) didn’t know the full extent of what  was  going  on  and  were
scared and didn’t want to I mean they were like u us and it could happen and we could react that same way that’s the scary  bit
I think

well I would say that  happens

so

it’s not that sure that we could do the thing because it has happened that’s why it’s good  

 yeah 

 we’ve got the lesson we’ve got the knowledge if we want

the history

we’ve got everything 

 

just here to to have a look and what what do we wanna do you know

yeah 

 do we wanna be

so it won’t happen again

 inside

I hope you’re right

ah yeah

I hope you’re right

yeah I hope I’m right

okay we’ll change the subject what do you think the biggest differences are between France and Australia

Have you been in France

Oh me

anybody

the biggest differences … I think the food overall is better in France 

 the food

I love the food

oh yeah everybody  the food is

the food oh I I love it I love the countryside I think it’s really pretty I love the fact that and this is all visual  I
suppose erm you go into the villages and everyone’s got like flowers  everywhere  and  they  really  try  and  make  it  visually
attractive

mmm

and I love that part

that’s good

I think the bread’s excellent

the what

bread … cheese um



wine

I think it’s attractive I think the the I like I love Paris I think that’s a fascinating  place  so  yeah  mm  but  that
wasn’t what what you were saying to me was it

just what the biggest differences are 

 differences 

 I mean anything you don’t like anything that  you  miss  about  Australia  when
you’re in France and anything you miss about France when you’re in Australia things

right

well you’d prob  be able to answer a bit more ‘cos you’re sort of living here but the thing that  strikes  me  is  the
bureaucracy level of bureaucracy in France is hu amazing it’s just everything takes so much longer to do and

oh … that is terrible

yeah er and that’s

has to be puch pulled down

yeah that strikes me um  now what else Oh may maybe you talk here for a bit got more to add

yeah I have

having lived here 

 yeah I think the bureaucracy is one of the  well to me there is a a concept you’re more  in  the
being in the now in the how  you know and we are more living in the past and future thinking talking  a  lot  analysing  a  lot
rationalising science all that i the ideals having big ideals about the world about everything 

but I like that bit but that is different

everything sex we talk about sex - doesn’t give up turn

yeah

everything

yeah

it’s true

it’s true it is different and I really like that

yeah but on on the other side we have stress



we don’t know how to 

 relax yeah

appreciate yeah relax appreciate the being now

mm

as in here it is very very good with that but in here most of the people just don’t care about

mm

 thinking and  the world and all that

Heather: yeah that’s when it goes too far yeah I agree

and so I’ve always known since I’ve been first came in here that it’s a very good  balance  France  and  Australia  to  to
become complete and very powerful if the two country would work together but the government don’t want and I wonder  why    and
it’s very yeah

mm

and here I’ve been learning a lot and I feel very much centred and complete with  myself  now  and  that’s  very  good  
spirituality as well here is something we can learn as in France it’s craziness or sect

mm 

 you know we’ve got this big thinking head machine bureaucracy one way of thinking

mm

ah coming from the philosophe all that all this heavy culture like that

mm 

 it’s changing

mm that’s good so

yeah being in the being  and er thinking we’re free mind we are  very  free  minded  in  France  we’ve  got  different
newspaper talking about every subject having the contrary you know we can make our own thinking and I wouldn’t say that  in  here
if you look at the news on TV I don’t like them in France but when I look at them in here oh my God or the  ad  or  whatever  but
here you’ve got the freedom to be creating we don’t have it in France and there’s

mm

so many people who become crazy because we are just stuck in a way of

yeah

thinking just life reality

yeah

as in here there’s so many crazy people in the street they would be locked in France that is terrible

mm mm

this is terrible yeah you’ve got freedom to to dress in France you’ll be original everybody will look look  at
you and think you’re different and oh

so mm 

 to me that’s the biggest difference

so what would you think the main differences between the people are the French people and the Australians

the people

mm

what are …

ch characteristics I guess that you’ve noticed that are quite different between the two

I think this  I dunno the way more formal Which one                more formal

not sure                          I think the French are more formal

in what way

ah well on a very superficial level because I don’t know that many French people

mm

but very formal in terms of they how they address you they’re a sort of  this is the way  you  you  always  say  ‘good
morning’ you always say you know walking down the street if well in the village where I’ve been it’s I I I quite  like  the  fact
that everyone always says ‘hello’ to you I think that’s very friendly but it’s very formal

                okay

so 

 yeah that’s probably what I’ve been fighting against  yeah perhaps you’re right I don’t know

yeah

you will show all this stuff ah ‘cos I’ve seen the difference in the way we talk we we use  we tend to raise  our  voice
express our emotions through the way we talk

mm

not in here and it’s so laid back you know an and I’ve seen my French friend Steve  talking  suddenly  becoming  so
French she being a bit aggressive because she was defending her point of view and Vicky Australian feeling  that  like  that  and
just keeping her natural you know

yeah

not being annoyed at all like the way Steve I would have get nervous and angry in France we like  to  and  we  don’t
we’re not afraid of conflict as well

mm

the fighting with the

yeah

 in here you don’t do that

I suppose not but I do      

people talk  

but yeah

seem that ah the information when when someone is criticised it’s by the others when these people is  not  here  everybody
knows that when the group is talking with a just one it’s talking about this person and then sometimes playing the    until  it
comes back

yeah

and it’s like that with everybody that’s very different

mm     yeah but

but yeah I would say you’re more formal in another way I don’t know what would

if they’re Australians

yeah

yeah I I can’t see it  so

no no I understand what you mean now no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely

mm yeah

yes 

 but it’s not bad it’s just different … it’s um yeah but I I I  because I  actually  don’t  know  that  many  
French people well

mm

you know I chat to them but  but I don’t know them no

how long have you been staying in France

um  I’ve been a few times for a month

okay

here a month there 

 travelling or yeah or really staying in a place

um                       both 

 both

staying in a place and then and then travelling so  yeah

mm

but it’s  yeah we haven’t met too  too many well until this year I didn’t speak French at all  well  so    it  was
really um  it was very difficult anyway



unless  very difficult unless they spoke English

yeah

I couldn’t communicate 

 mm

so it makes a difference  mm yeah next one 

 okay well talking of French tu and vous who do you use tu with this  is  more
for you and when do you move from vous to tu er yeah answer that first I’ll give you part two in a minute

erm that’s interesting like erm vous I use to people of my age definitely that’s very easy 

 as soon as you meet them

yeah

would you have said tu to me to both of us straight away today 

yeah oh yeah                      yeah I would have said tu to both of  you  erm  when  I
feel comfortable but when there is there is something erm like in my family er well we’ve been raised to say  vous  to  my  uncle
and aunty from my dad’s side but in my mum’s side there is only one uncle and aunty that to whom I say vous because I  feel  very
because they’ve got you know the formal stuff more than the others and when I feel comfortable and so it is very  hard  sometimes
like I’ve met teachers at uni who are very close to the student and ask that we say tu and if we say vous they say  vous  and  it
has been very difficult for me to be able to say tu to a teacher older

mm

and teacher specially older teacher together

mm

I just couldn’t do it it took me a very long time to say tu very very hard so it’s  a  bit  like  it’s  um  yeah  the  the
teacher yeah because in France at school it’s very different we are like sheep and we are asked just to listen to put it  in  our
head and to rewrite it when it’s time to rewrite it everything that we’ve put in our head oh my God  as  in  here  you  ask  
they’re at school I’ve been in school it is a girl’s school erm to participate it’s more exchanging  opinions  stuff  like
that and it would be a lot easier to say tu to the teacher in that way  but in France no it’s teacher students baaa  
ah ay ay

so do you feel comfortable using tu and vous in French do you think you’ve handled it

oh God no                  no have no idea  no idea  I think  it’s  one  
the  I would actually say it’s funny you should bring this up  had a class yesterday right French erm  linguistics  and  this
guy gave a talk on tu and vous and like he had a little chart on who says t you know situations etc and I said  to  the  bloke
beside me “It’s the one thing I wish they didn’t have” because it’s the one thing that I can just never understand  I just  and
ye and who the thing is like alright

 I don’t know

we start with vous and like  but then who who’s the one makes the decision to say well we’re gonna  use  tu  now     I
mean if someone’d just say to me “can we use tu” I’d be “yes okay that’s fine” yeah but left to my own devices  I’d  just  wanna
go you know let’s keep going vous ‘cos I have no idea what to do next

okay so if I tell you someone older there are rules someone older you say vous

so it’s just like                                          vous

and erm well I think that’s the most important rule perhaps

so it      that’s that’s the only thing if they’re older it’s vous  And  do  they
ever make a decision to say I wanna use tu

yeah                              and  between them use vous when  you  don’t  know  the  people
actually you’re supposed to say vous the young say tu

vous                  right

and  yeah

but what but what happens okay if someone starts with vous they address y I s they address you as vous at  any
time can you say “No address me as su as tu”

yeah if you are in the higher position you can say

so like if you’re older

yeah or the teacher o:r sometimes young people tell me vous Magrebian people er the girl because they’ve  learned  perhaps
lots of respect

mm

and er sometimes yeah they telling me vous and I say “No I I tell you tu to you so tell me tu

mm

it’s like there is you know yeah it’s very interesting I I think like as a question 

 it’s a minefield

it is it’s very dangerous

I don’t think it’s a mi ‘cos in English we just don’t have those decisions 

 no it’s like the feminie and the masculine  like
you haven’t got the difference for you it’s just the 

 yeah but I don’t have that much}

so it yeah no it’s not a problem but I I think we we make more different yeah it’s so 

mm                                      yeah                 but that’s easy  that

 as you’ve just got the big       doesn’t matter

yeah true             true tha a er well my  is it’s the pronun

people think it’s ciation that’s the trouble with English that’s the main difficulty

in English

the pronunciation ‘cos it’s just the spelling doesn’t accord very well with the pronunciation there’s not yeah

oh I don’t know

well like in in Spanish there’s a set number of vowels and sounds and the way it’s spelt  it  will  always  sound  the
same way

okay

you don’t have that in English and to a certain extent you don’t have it in French either  but  it’s  worse  in  English
isn’t it that’s my understanding  linguist here so okay well I’ll just make this the last question ‘cos I know you have to go Heather 

yeah

erm so do you find it easier then to just use you in English or do you  feel  restricted  by  the  just  having  one  form
because you can’t play with that distance or it doesn’t bother you you’re just happy with one form

yeah it doesn’t bother me I haven’t been really thinking of that I see that perhaps in France when I’ll be back

mm

it just it annoy me the tu and vous with this teacher and one aunty that we became closer like that and then she wants  me
to say tu and that is now shit that is interesting that is good because then we show that we’ve become closer and in the eyes  of
the other if I say tu to her in front of everybody that means we show we’ve got a special relationship together so yeah

so that’s a good thing

but you can’t do that in English

no yeah that’s a good thing i it can be yeah i it’s a good thing yeah in

mm

that way it is with the teacher it was a bit different so it can be bad it can be good

Heather / Kerry: mm

because I perhaps I didn’t want to have this close relationship with the teacher

mm

I don’t know

mm I know that one of my French speakers who  I’ll just turn this off  said that erm