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Participants were informed that the researcher was looking at the general differences between French and Australian English speakers’ conversational styles, and were not given any further specific information. The researcher's own participation in the conversation was limited to asking questions on certain topics to initiate the conversation between the two speakers, and to adding comments from time to time. The participants were asked to talk to each other rather than to the researcher, although she was often included in the conversation. An attempt was made to ensure that the conversations were as similar as possible in terms of set-up, length and topics discussed, (although not all of the topics were covered in every conversation). To this end the researcher had prepared a list of topics on which to ask the participants for their opinion; these included such issues as life in Australia, the difference between French and Australian English speakers, multiculturalism, the role of honesty in a relationship, the importance of expressing one’s opinion, and the difference between tu and vous (the familiar and polite forms of you in French) for the French speakers.
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Beth (female, 25, Australian, student services officer, no time spent in France), Daniel (male, 26, French, wine grower, four months in Australia, total one year spent in English-speaking countries)
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Kerry Mullan
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…no problem
Ok Daniel I might get you to just tell me what you miss most about France
What I miss most about France
yeah since you’ve been away
Aaah partly food even if in Australia the food is not so bad
He he he
aah we’re talking about A Australia here
because before I was in USA and USA was awful to find good coffee very good bread and finding good
      cheese which is I think very French but ah I need that 
yeah yup
And have you found good cheese in Australia ‘cos I 
Yeah from Tasmania I could find some I could found pretty good cheese …
yeah so first perhaps erm yeah the food after my friends I mean it’s not so it is not only fr my friends too ‘cos I have
      nobody to talk with and er yeah it’s not easy and in a way my family sometimes yeah and er yeah as I said
what do you think has been the most difficult part about living in Australia in particular What do you find difficult
aah phew I don’t know ah life is pretty easy people are very open
uh huh…
which is very nice
you can disagree
he he he
umm but I what I find is phew s perhaps the lack of culture ‘cos of when I’ve been travelling I was um I really enjoy
      for example South America it was very strong
even if it’s a catholic culture in a way aah it’s  I I find people and very different from what I know being as French
uh hmmm
so it was very rich very interesting so Aus  Australia and New Zealand whatever it’s ah English culture so it’s not so
      different for me  um I find that people here are very creative more than the French for example
K/B   uh hmmm
are more free to do whatever they want which is very interesting but what I miss is culture er it’s pretty hard to explain
      Ffr example I’ve been spending time in Morocco which were amazing for me because it was very strong very rich um I find
      that pretty difficult to leave and stay all the time here
perhaps just me perhaps it seems this way but er
      K:    what would you umm how would you describe a typical Australian maybe you could describe that to Beth and Beth can
      see if she agrees with you on that
because I’m actually not Australian so
it’s funny someone asked one of my students yesterday she’s from Japan asked me she wanted to send a present home to her
      father and she came to and she said “what’s something typically Australian that I could send home” and I thought “oh
      what’s I mean… kangaroo and all the things people think of
yeah yeah yeah
but I was trying to think of something and um someone later in the day came up with wine a good Australian wine
      but… it’s hard I  I found yesterday just thinking about it I found it hard to think of something typically Australian well
      not well something like that a gift but to think of the typical Australian
it might be easier
I think I’d balk at the typical Australian honestly don’t tell me
it might be easier for an outsider 
  yeah I think so
I know it’s not easy I don’t know for me they’re very easy going very open people not so stressful as in France they
      take time to live um they have a lot of friends and they’re pretty relaxed er
…… Yeah
it’s very hard
I’d agree we’re sort of relaxed
laid-back and yeah I don’t know
pretty open
oh yeah pretty
open yeah yeah
so they’re the main differences between the French and the Australians
……… perhaps except the language for sure perhaps
have you been to France
I haven’t I wish I had but erm but yeah from what I’ve heard I mean French people have a reputation for being a bit closed
      maybe a bit not not closed but um
 perhaps with English people creating this culture because they have always been fighting B:     Aahh
I mean if you look at at the history in French the English have been fighting so from an English spoken person who go in
      France who doesn’t try to speak French I think we are pretty rude which is a shame even if you just talk too much in two
      words in English they just open try to help you and  they are very open people I think
are they
the French
no no the Australians
more than the French yeah
what would be a typical French person do you think
phew it’s hard to answer that
yeah I don’t know
Ahh I’m not sure I am but ah well it’s very pretentious to say that but ah…
ha ha ha
so where are you from in France
southwest okay
yeah erm … what’s a typical French person
from what I hear aren’t Parisians quite different to they sort of  from what I’ve heard people say Parisians are a bit
      different to to other people in
that’s a cultural thing yeah it’s a cultural north and south is very different a bit
      more relaxed perhaps in the south a bit more more open I think than Paris
but living in Paris is very multipurpose like all the big towns everybody’s stressful it’s very hard I think even if it’s
      a very nice town people are very stressful there and um maybe for me who is coming from the south once I went there and I
      had time I was relaxed and just walking on the street and watching the buildings architecture  sorry for my English …and
      er people just stop me and say “where are you from you’re not from here” because I was smiling to people
ha ha he
 you know
yeah it’s interesting they say that the French don’t smile so easily at people they don’t know whereas I’ve just been
      reading a book about the difference between the French and Americans and Americans sort of smile at anything that moves 
  yeah they do
like and the French always find that a bit you know a bit over the top I
      suppose but they’re the complete opposite they don’t…  would you say that’s true or maybe just in Paris anyway
I don’t I don’t know about the Americans but about French yeah
yeah why do you think that is why don’t you smile at people because I think maybe even the Australians smile at people
      more easily
than the French smile at each other do you save smiles for people that you know
ha ha ha
or you can only have 6 smiles a day
depends on my mood depends on my mood but er I’m pretty moody so so in the morning if I have no coffee and
      no cigarettes I don’t smile 
 you can’t smile Fair enough
Right so there…yeah so there’s a time for smiling in the afternoon okay
er no it’s very hard to try to give definition about why you are
I know
What I can  see is is er people got idea about how is the French
and we’re supposed to be very arrogant and er
why do you think you have that reputation
I didn’t want to say that before but that’s the rep yeah I was going to say that is the
      reputation isn’t it and it’s erm
Yeah that’s the rep no yeah that is the reputation
why do you think that is what do you think it’s
… I don’t know ah…but in my case because my English is not good enough so when I’ll try to do to say things um perhaps I
      can sound a bit rude ‘cos I don’t know English erm very well
uh huh
so I’m not very polite or whatever um I don’t know I cannot tell you
but I’ve I’ve seenit’s funny ‘cos er I’ve meet other French when I was travelling in erm in Australia mainly in the
      wine industry and talking with French and funny I went once and see a French we were complaining all the time never happy
      and I say “wow” the French are like this it’s so shit…LAUGHTER I was scared …so you don’t really realise
      it’s the way you are er
but I am I know  people find I’m arrogant too er ‘cos I have troubles with my way of working or being it’s like for
      example which is stupid things but ah … English people their way of eating things …you’ve got morning tea you stop 10
      minutes you have a sandwich lunch you stop 10 minutes you have a sandwich  4 o’clock and after you have a cooked lunch at
      night um I’m not used to stop on the morning but I stop for at least one hour er for lunch it’s very important for me
and er and I’ll say I’m sorry it’s my fr my own freedom I need that so I do it  er and this way people thought I was
      very arrogant and very 
which is my fault because I’m pretty stubborn
so you are arrogant
I’m afraid and want to be and perhaps because I don’t know because French too I don’t think French use to
      travel around the world a lot like Australian can do
uh hmmm
or New Zealander or whatever
so we got  problem to be open I think we got a pretty narrow mind
see we’re we’re just an island so we f all feel we have to travel we
yeah yeah
TO GO              anywhere we have to go a long way
yeah yeah
so we love
and I don’t think we have this
we seem to love to travel
oh sorry I don’t think we have this capacity of
      adaptation and be open because you know people just stay in their village or their town doesn’t what’s happen
ing around the world
well you get people like that here as well
You do in the country
Yeah               in the countryside 
 yeah and in central Australia they don’t know anywhere
they never go anywhere
but er yeah
apart from sometimes
but erm I think the main population are er in town and
      big cities in Australia but in France l a lot of population are living in the country side 
I’m coming from the country side
heh heh
yeah our our population is mostly around our our coast and in our cities where where
yeah hmmm
we’ve got people scattered but it’s it’s sort of erm yeah mostly in the cities… because of the yeah because of the country
      side heh heh heh not very easy to live out in the middle
yeah sure and because you’ve got a lot of people here
      got roots I mean got parents or grandparents perhaps in Europe too so… I don’t know
if that’s why you travel  in New Zealand for example I was very surprised each  person
      of my age spent has been spending like 3 or 4 years overseas
have been travelling you know a lot of times 
which is you would never find that in France 
How old are you
I I’m 26
right yeah that’s
yeah well I dunno some statistic I heard about Australians apparently we have more passports per head than
ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE we’re all just we’re all just  travelling we’re all tryi
going out to see  yeah 
 s so I think in this way

yeah because you travelling a lot you’re more open and and
      perhaps because er there is a lot of different communities too in this population of Australia
mm yeah
you have in a way perhaps to be more open I don’t know it’s just…
yeah         yeah well that leads me nicely to my next question
ALL laugh
that was a nice connector there what does “multiculturalism” mean really Like we all have this label and 
all these communities together um do you think it really works like do you first of all do you think Australia and/or
      France are multicultural countries and do you think it really works Do we all live together happily ever after
Mmmm                 I think um it’s interesting ‘cos I’m working in a a TAFE college in the city
      and all of my all of the students are from overseas it’s a private college so we have all international students from
      from everywhere and um so I’ve sort of been thinking about that in a way for a little while but um … it’s I love I love
      having all the different cultures together and I think it it works I think Australia’s still working it out I think we’re
      not quite there yet but um people have to be accepting of each other but also i you like I think with people that com
      groups of people that come from overseas I think it’s fine to live in a community so long as they also sort of embrace the
      culture they’re in as well they don’t need to lose their culture but I find it a bit strange when you have someone in a
      country any country that’s been there 20 30 years and they don’t speak the language of the country that they’re in mm
and I find that a bit funny I think if people hold on and do that then that’s not really you know mixing and and but um I
      think we’ve got a fair I’d I’d say um I’d say Australia’s multicultural I don’t know about France but heh heh
aah  yup I think what you are saying is erm somebody spend 20 years for example in Australia should speak English
erm but I think that’s true but it depends on if it’s somebody of 40 years old that come here it’s very hard for him to
      speak English
oh yes yes
but when it’s kids 
yeah yeah oh I I mean they don’t need to speak I don’t mean they need to speak great English or great
      French or wherever they are but just you do meet some people that um live you know sort of live their life separate to to
      anything Australian they sort of block it off and don’t even try to learn the language yeah I mean probably rare cases
      but I think you I I you do come across people like that and I think that sort of is I mean it one little thing that
      might block multiculturalism from working erm because erm well I’ve heard people talk you know Australians say you know
      that’s s something that they have trouble with with accepting people that are like that but I um I love having people
      coming from over different countries I think that’s great and I think it’s good for the people that are here too
yeah I I like being with
if that makes sense 
wi with people of different countries that’s why I’m travelling erm … I don’t think France is like Australia we got um
      big problems with immigration like a lot of country in Europe  I don’t know what was going on with um England but um for
      example in Germany there is a lot of of Turkish people too much um French we are su er France we’re supposed to be one of
      the best countries for freedom whatever it’s like  and I think it’s the wo one of the worst country today for
      immigration erm
worst in what sense
there is no possible today for people who want immigrate in France except if they have a very good job or they are in a
      political very hard political situation um we got er some awful stuff now like people from Africa  because we have
      colonies in Africa so France was for people who have nothing to eat or whatever  was  normally and they they arrive
      in France find a job er which is not legal and the the government pick them up they just take them back on the plane and
      see you um … we have in the in the fifties in France mainly in the south discovered gas and stuff and petrol so the French
      government did need erm erm people to work but very hard jobs that the French didn’t want to do so they asked people from
      North Africa to come over which is Morocco Algeria so it was the fifties ah end of fifties so now since then we got three
      generation of people ah so parents are coming from um North Africa they are not very mixed I mean they still got the face
      of er you know Moroccan of Algerian so they speak both languages speak French very well and also speak the language from
      their parents but they’re not accept accepted … and um because there is no more job anyway for French or them lot of people
      tends to say “okay so now you come back in your country we don’t need you any more” but the problem is the kids are born
      there so there is  lot of racism problem and people say “oh we don’t want you anymore” ‘cause they’re French
um and so the parents went in the fifties and were I don’t know around 30 or 40s or perhaps o older so it was very hard
      for them to speak French so still today they are they are not speaking French but erm they have done a lot I think to try
      to be um integrate in French
erm society but the culture is so different from ours
and um and we’ve been taking them putting them together and not trying to mix them they don’t want to mix them so they all
      park you know in the same building and we keep them apart so mixing people is not easy
 so you  so today is it’s a big problem and I don’t think France is great for that we have a lot of problems
      African people and and and people coming from North Africa 
 I still I think Australia has problems too I mean we have
      the political party the “One Nation” party that was sort of against people immigrating and and that’s just been that’s sort
      of blown Australia apart in a way people are divided on that but um like I just got a pamphlet the other day um about
      refugees and it’s incredible how many um er refugees come to Australia and they’re kept in detention they’re kept in
      terrible terrible
conditions and it and it’s um ‘cos my neighbour across the road is a big supporter of it and um um yeah the the statistics
      like apparently they are allowed to come in on boats legally they’re allowed to but we Australia detains them
oh okay right
and they get held and they go through trials and things and 90% of them are allowed to stay in the end so it’s just a
      horrible process
and I think Australia has a lot to work on in in things like that but um but people  I mean we have good  er
      Melbourne’s very good for for lots of different cultures and lots of different people 
 that’s what I think yeah
it’s a good place to to be for that  I think people seem to be more tolerant down here than
      say up in some places in Queensland or in the country or somewhere
yeah yeah
but erm yeah the government still has a lot to work work on  but they’re trying for it I think
do you think Australians can be quite racist as well
yeah yup definitely because they’re very um there’s a lot of people that are unpa no can’t say that not the ones that
      don’t travel but a lot of people that haven’t you know up in Queen because I come from Queensland there are a lot of
      country people that don’t mix with with people from overseas and so they’re they’re prejudiced against them and you know we
      call them “Rednecks”   you know and you know
yeah but er and in San Francisco it’s the same
I guess there is people like that everywhere but yeah in in in
      different up in Queensland we find there’s lots more people North Queensland lots more people like that than down here 
in in er
to a different degree
in France it’s the same yeah it’s just xenophobia which is French for xénophobie
er xenophobia
ah okay
ah yep
it’s just coming from the fact that you are afraid about the difference you know
 and I thi it’s funny ‘cause in France this this national er political party erm got a lot of success but
      mainly with peoples coming from countryside they never seen an African or whatever they are just living in their small farm
      I don’t know they’re not thinking
it’s just very scary
and after something I I think er young people when er young kids arrive 10 in Australia come in 10 years old coming from
      another country I think it’s pretty they still able to learn the language and mix with other people
I don’t know …when you’re older it’s not so easy
but  and after I think when you you’re far away from your country if you hasn’t if you haven’t really choose to
      immigrate or if you have no choice because of situation economicalyeah political or what have you
um if you think I don’t know if you think you have to spend all my life here in a way you try to find again um all the
      different stuff you had before like um the kind of food or whatever 
in our culture or religion that’s why perhaps
      people tends to be together
and don’t wanna mix
you want to keep
keep that part of your home
you want to keep your culture yeah
and and don’t tend to mix with the other
mm mm
ones too and er so
I don’t know
yeah I think it’s important to keep
your cul
the culture
that’s yeah that’s a problem yeah
it’s yeah with political refugees or or refugees it’s very it’s a very difficult situation
you have to be yeah you have I think you have to keep your own culture and be very strong with that but still and have to
      being open on wha
what’s going on  which is not so easy
not really
erm it’s like in Fr we in France we have a very particular problem which is Basque country where I live people are
      fighting for their culture 
 uh huh
but erm if you see the history it was in France for examples there was people who were travelling all around the world we
      say that the Basque discover Amerique before Christophe Colomb you know so people got very strong culture but they’re still
      very open about other cultures I think this is a way
that’s interesting actually I watched a program on the the Sp Spanish Basques they would kill me for saying that the Basque country that is currently part of Spain and they were saying that now they’re contacting the people that
      live in the on the French side of the Basque country but do the French ha the French Basques I’m getting myself
      into…oh we’ll just scrap that the people who live in the Basque country on the French side of the border do
      they want their independence as much as the ones that live on the Spanish side of the border
the problem is that
you never hear that much about
no you don’t actually 
 no the problem is very different but mainly it’s the biggest
      past of er part of Basque country is in Spain not
in France France is very small
erm but I think historic in a his historical point of view sorry
uh hmm 
 for my English erm the Spanish side recently had Franco whi Franco which was a dictator and he did hate the
      Basque because they had this strong culture
 so in fact what we know today which is er er ETA ETA which is
yep   yep
is bombed because they wanted to kill Franco so but in France they never had Franco so they are very very hard harder in
      Spain because of that I think
more than in France and er they and in another way they didn’t wanted to have people fighting in France because all
      people who used to fight in Spain if they get in trouble could go in France you know it’s like on the war it’s you got the
      first line but after you can come back and have a rest that’s why I think
mmm that’s interesting yeah I hadn’t ever thought about the
the Basque people in 
and you don’t hear much about them you don’t hear anything about them
no there is not er
you just hear about ETA
it’s just er they were a small group er but they just bombed er like people who wanted to build buildings on the coast
      because they just try to protect the coast  it was not against er physical including people they er just kill somebody
mmm right mmm okay well we’ll move onto another subject
yeah sorry

no no it’s just it was just a the thought of that was interesting Um how important do you consider honesty and
      truthfulness in a relationship
either one of us 
very  I I I base my relationships on honesty and truthfulness um … althou::gh  I think in our culture perhaps we
      um  don’t always e::r… I mean oh it’s interesting  in terms of how we um we do deal with people perhaps we’re not so
      honest we might put on a smiley face and and not mention things and and perhaps brush over things when we might be thinking
      something else but  I guess that’s natural for people anywhere but um
I was going to ask do you think being truthful is more important than
      being polite
er …… go ahead go go go no you go I’m thinking about it
For the tape Daniel just nodded

yeah I think so erm it’s not French just me personally
uh huh
particular person
yeah yeah
yeah yeah um and I’m very bad to play in the sense of I’m not able to hide my emotions
uh hmm
er if I don’t like somebody er will be very hard that’s why in a way I’m rude I think I will it will be very hard for me
      to say “how are you” I won’t and I will be
hmm mmm
perhaps rude yeah er but I think being true towards your own feelings which is very hard and towards somebody else is very
      hard in our society
in the world of everyday and and having a job whatever this always you have to play you know in relationship has
      seduction there is always seduction
hmm mmm
it has a different meaning in French 
 I was going to say that's interesting 
             why                   seduction
w what’s seduction
in English
seduction in in English is um romantic or sexual it’s
ah okay
um yeah isn’t it
er we can use it in French in this way but it can be more general
mm mm oh that’s good
to know
it’s useful       yeah
it’s useful 
I just
I just try to um how to pf it’s hard to say that in English yeah it’s the same we can use it in a general way
is that the same in Spanish Seducción
I don’t know
No I wonder
I don’t think I’ve ever used it in Spanish I’ve never had that sort of situation… no I don’t know
I don’ is it seducir
mm creo
is and does it is it more like the French 
 yeah I think so
oh okay
yeah because yeah
which is surprising ‘cos
well maybe that could be an extension on my study on love in Spanish 
yes yeah
oh yeah
I did er I did my Honours last year with K and and looked at Spanish looked at love looked at the love words amar and
      querer and and different words that Spanish has for love
Spanish Spanish Spain or Spanish 
 no well mine was mine was South American ‘co because I learnt my Spanish in there
okay yeah
I did sort of base it on that and and tried to get all my my data
ah really
from South America um so yeah that was really fun so it
       because Spanish has lots more probably F French too yeah I talked to K about French there’s more words seem to be more
      words more shades of words for love in in the Romance languages or in French and Spanish than in English
mm but er we don’t make difference between like and love in French
I think you told me that
which is not so easy
I think you told me that yeah
which is not so easy for us
have confusion
so it’s always love

That’s right they don’t bother with the like it’s straight to the love 
 love everyone that’s good
that’s interesting so I wonder if that’s related to the way we express or don’t express emotions
as much did you go over did you cover that in your
yes I did yes I did talk about emotions and emotion words in general and how we um
      English tend not to and Spanish tend tend more to um but in in in some ways it’s interesting when I talked to my um
      girlfriend from Chile she said that oh well we’ll say we she says it’s hard for me to say I love you in Spanish but it’s
      easy for me to say I love you in English and that might have just been specific to her but she said
oh okay
it’s more serious in Spanish than
in English she found but
that’s funny I had a a French speaker recently say to me um it was a this couple I met here and they’ve since gone back
      to France and their first e-mail back to me had all the news and then it said at at the end um tu nous manques and then in
      brackets “I can’t say it in English because I feel like I don’t mean it” um and he said I have to tell you that in French
      and it means I miss or we miss you
mm mm
um but he just said I had to say that
in French and it’s funny when I wrote back and I said oh yeah vous me manquez which is you I miss you
but I’m happier saying it in French because in English it’s that’s very personal to say you I miss you
and so for me it was actually easier to express it in French because maybe to me it didn’t feel as real
you were feeling a different meaning
but it was only way I could do it yeah
which is like totally the opposite to what he was saying to me so
I said oh yeah I must go and study that

put that down on my list of things to look at yeah
because it being emotional is it a good thing is it a negative or positive thing do you think If we say that if you just
      say oh yeah she gets very emotional
mm it’s

would that word have a negative or positive connotation or neutral
from my from what I sort of looked at if you say it in English oh she’s she’s an emotional person it’s like a it’s a more
      of a negative thing
um most people would take that as oh she’s a bit sort of unstable or or something like that
mmm yup
um rather than just she expresses emotion it’s it’s more a oh she’s a bit bit bit funny 
that sounds very English
and in French would it does it have a negative connotation to say that someone is émotif
no ‘cos I think we are very Latin in the sense of we express
um perhaps not so much on the Italian people which is the other side so you have to take the very true parts
       just take  so I think we are well mainly in the south Montpellier I’m not sure is it a good or bad thing it’s um
      I don’t know
or it just is maybe
yeah but I know it’s a question it’s important I think er I mean from my personal point of view I I’m very emotional ah I
      express myself I try to ah but people in the countryside are very hard and never show that never show their never show
      their feelings they have to be hard
oh okay
and I because I grew up in this kind of feelings I don’t like it so I try to go over that
um but if you go too far it’s not good er I it’s not good it’s not easy I find it’s not easy for me to find a well balance
      between both
the same in other things
so you will say I’m unstable perhaps but um
oh no no no no all )
those French
They’re arrogant and all unstable 
an emotional lot  
we could start a new a new er sort of reputation for the French 
and it’s you were talking about stu you were studying love sorry  er change of er subject but in Basque for example
      they never never say I love you in Basque
uh huh
it’s like they don’t express their feelings
that’s interesting
that’s yeah
because they’re right in the middle of Latin country that’s
yeah yeah they never say it
they’re really quite a different people aren’t they
yeah gosh 
 perhaps in French we say it perhaps too easy I dunno my girlfriend she’s from English culture and she
      finds that I say it too easy but er
oh okay
but in comparation of her
and I find she doesn’t say that often enough 
often enough 
mmm oh 
oh  well talking about expressing emotions how about expressing your opinion Do you think it’s important to always
      express your opinion if you have one Is it important to have one There you go 2 questions at once
Mm um yeah I um I mean I think I mean I’m just I keep thinking about college ‘cos I interact with a lot of people from
      from different places and um … I think perhaps mm I mean I think it’s very important to have an opinion and to be honest
      and true to yourself but probably in Australia I think we’re very open but perhaps we don’t always r… I’m not sure
      actually about Australians if we if we actually if there might just be a level of sort of um…what’s the word you know some
      protective thing or some thing that shields us a bit we do might not always speak out like…about what you’re thinking
      ‘cos of to avoid trouble or to avoid um you know like conflict or something mmm
but I’m not sure I don’t know if that’s um general or not
I think you you should have and you must have an opinion you should have your own opinion which is crazy um I tends to
      express myself yeah and perhaps in a way it’s easier for me for example in English in English country ‘cos I can do it and
      if and if it seems to be rude everybody can say or can think okay it’s because of 
Ah he’s French he’s French

and in a way it’s just because of different culture um
yeah yeah
but after express your true opinion I do it when I um when I respect the peop ah the person I’m talking with if I
if I think ah it’s not worth fighting whatever
er I just forget it I don’t say anything
right yeah
um yeah I I think I express myself with people or with people I respect or if I have to defend myself and
okay I exist so I think that we can talk
 I am allowed to have some things different ways than you
yeah  have you had problems with Australians then do you think that you sometimes you feel they don’t Like Beth said
      sometimes we don’t
yeah I’m wondering I I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t always speak up in certain circum
      certain situations 
 but I had problems 
 I don’t know
very in my job because I’m working for for another company I’m
      not sure it’s because they’re Australian or French more because of the personality  the kind of job they have um because
      you come back in the question you ask us before because there is they um they’re working they playing a role they’re not
      themselves so they have to be the boss so they have to be a certain way and it doesn’t correspond also  or who they are
 er it’s always the same I I think it’s a shame
for me um 
so I had trouble I had trouble ‘cos I could feel that what he was saying was not what he was
because he was trying to be nice with me er because
but um I could feel that he was he was lying because he don’t want to have conflict it’s just political result  in
      French we call it la raison d’Etat
uh huh
and ah I I hate that I don’t like it
I prefer being  if I can be er true with myself which is not very always very easy I will I will tends to be true with
      the other person
 which like er  if this person like it or not  perhaps the definition of arrogance
yeah maybe yeah I’d I that’s interesting I wonder what Australians in general you know if someone were to look at us what
      they would say about us on that front because I don’t know
I’ll ask Daniel afterwards
what he really thinks about Australians

um what does opinionated mean … I don’t know if you know this term but
what’s er what’s your definition of opin
opinionated so if you say someone is opinionated 
it’s um it’s someone that that’s…u:m well has a lot of strong thoughts on on
      everything and doesn’t hesitate to to voice them I guess something like that would you say
And is it would it have a negative connotation or is it just a neutral term
I think it does I think it does in English I think if you say someone oh no
      wfuf opinionated … I think it does have a slightly negative turn to sound to it if you say someone’s opinionated it gives
      the impression that oh well they never give up on what they’re they’re talking about then they have very strong views and
      um but it’s not necessarily always bad to be opinionated you could use it when it’s not not being so negative
but it does it mean having a strong opinion on everything or have just opinion on everything which is different  no
ha having a strong opinion or 
 yeah fighting
or just an opin
does it mean fighting for er all the opinion or if it just means having
      opinions on everything 
oh no it means sort of fighting for them like
voicing them and always yeah talking about them  you think so
I’m not telling you

I can’t tell you
my understanding of it

my understanding of it …change positions
I know too much I’m the insider here
 you are
do you have a term that you an equivalent term to that in French do you think
wow … um … I’m not sure
let me think if I try and think of someone who’s opinionated to to who’s well known that that would illustrate it…
um who’s opinionated 
yeah you can you can meet the people got who got opinion on everything
mm mm
do you have a word to describe it
er ah for me boring but I don’t think 

no I don’t know I I I meet a lot of people which just it’s like culture they um they have an opinion on everything because
      they want I don’t know how to explain that but um it doesn’t matter what’s the matter we’re talking about they have to to
      know something it’s like culture you have to read this book because everybody have  must know it you have to see this
      film because… and it’s not because er you like it or not it’s because in society when it is social times it’s very well
      seen to be able to talk about that and I find there is so much people like this um … I don’t like it  but after I I’m
      pretty pleased to find some people who got very strong opinion and different from mine if I have one
because I think if communication is possible which it is not always possible very rich um … but I don’t like people
      who knows everything
do you think dogmatique 
 well that’s what yeah  no sorry keep going 
 no go on
no I was just going to agree with you and say that yes er it’s like it’s positive to have an opinion but just to say that
      someone is opinionated means they do just have something to say on on everything
yeah and                                           they s
everything which and and they might yeah just say things that you know just for the sake of having an opinion not
      because of what…
yeah yeah and and sometimes and more often it’s just very superficial like there is no
      research and there is no deep thinking about it 

      that’s yeah
sometimes it’s just sorry bullshit and er

do you think dogmatique would be a the equivalent of opinionated
oh dogmatique for me is very different dogmatique should be more dangerous
      um having an an opinion on everything
from ‘fin my definition because a a dogme means um an idea which is straight and you cannot go out of of out of that I
      don’t know how to say it
for me dogme are very dangerous  it’s easy to have a dogma I think
do you think dogmatic in English is the same as opinionated or not because I think I think dogmatique and dogmatic are
      quite similar
yeah I w I would  dogmatic it’s more um like we said opinionated could you could say someone’s opinionated and they
      have a lot of things to say about things but they don’t necessarily you know they might be superficial just for the sake
      o of having the opinion whereas to be dogmatic means that you really sort of stick to one thing I think
and not very open
mmm yeah
‘fin it’s I don’t think with somebody who’s dogmatic you can have a communication because he’s not about to listen to you
I think somebody which got a lot of opinion can be dogmatic but people who are dogmatic can be opinionated
okay right
I don’t know just
            losing me

right what’s a good person what would what qualities would you consider make up a good person
um someone that’s open and friendly and um accepting sort of  honest …yeah sense of humour  throw that in  I
      think that’s very important
people that can be
have a laugh and be open about things mm
how about you
yeah for me it’s the same  honest yeah  doesn’t er yeah to be very um honest being honest and say what he’s thinking
      or  um respectful too  open  er and not playing a game er what I was calling seduction before
in our
I’m going to have to look this one up now  
no not  in my  in my sense
yeah honest and um  yeah I think um and people who are  to accept the difference
mm yeah  okay
open yeah
well you’ve both been very good people thank you very much